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Posted by Yitz'ach 5 months ago. There are 45 posts. The latest reply is from Woody.

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Yitz'ach
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Posted 5 months ago #

Shalom All

Last January as I was reading Torah I "heard" a small voice in the back of my mind say "study that paragraph". O.K., this voice stuff is new to me, but scripture says to listen for the still small voice of the Ruach Ha Kodesh. O.K.......
The paragraph was in B'reshit 45. I studied the paragraph about Yoseph telling his brothers who he was and Pharaoh ordering Yoseph to bring his father and family down to Egypt for the remainder of the famine.
It took me about three days to study,absorb and determine what I was being directed to learn.I learned Pharaoh represented YHVH, Yoseph = Yahshuah, 10 half brothers = christians who love and believe in Jesus, Binyamin = Torah Keepers, famine = 7 end time years,(2 done, 5 to go). I believe SOME of Abbas' children are to be taken to a safe place for the final 5 years of the last "week". I believe there is no safe place on earth from what I read in scriptures and have learned about prophecy for the last 45 years. That wee small voice spoke again to me......"Another Dimension". O.K., either the Ruach is speaking to me or I'm going looney. I NEED WITNESSES!!!!!!
Lot was told the messengers could not destroy Sodom and Gomora until Lot and family were safe. Noach had to be safe before El Shaddai would destroy the earth. Ya'akov was taken to a safe place because of the famine. Three witnesses for the safe place part. That "dimension" thing should be fun! Look in Revelation 3:7-10.He who can open and no man can close and can close and no man can open spoke to the church of Philadelphia. Because some are weak He has put before them an "open door" that no man can close. Because they have not denied Him, He will keep them from the trials that He will try the entire earth. (another witness for a safe place?) I don't know about you, but if you build a door,I can open or close it if I have enough dynamite or a big enough bulldozer. How did Philip get from gaza to Ashdod?(Acts 8:39) My money is on a portal. Remember we are talking "another dimension" here. I don't know of anyone who has opened or closed a door to another dimension.......except.......Abba for His messengers? Ya'akovs' vision of the ladder from earth to heaven.
O.K., you ask, if this is true, when does it happen? When did Ya'akov go to Egypt? Sh'mot 12:41....At the end of 430 years.....TO THE DAY......all the divisions of YHVH left the land of Egypt. If we know this, we know when Ya'akov entered Egypt.....Pesach.....the 15th of Aviv! This is NOT the "rapture", but a taking to a safe place for a short time those who are weak. I'm just repeating scripture as it was shown to me, sharing with my family. The instructions for Pesach are "to have your belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, your staff in your hand, and eat it (the lamb) hurriedly". Sh'mot 12:11. I believe the time for this to happen is just before the end of 14 Aviv (that hour or so just before sunset), or early during the night of 15 Aviv, or during the day. Stay inside your home and pray.....and be ready for?????
I have gone over and over this for the last 11 months and haven't been able to find any error in the scriptures regarding this. As a wise man we all know says "Don't trust me, look it up for yourself"!
Shalom and Blessings in Yahshuah, Our Savior, King and Truth
Yitz'ach
steakguy
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Posted 5 months ago #

I Love you Yitz'ach. For me and my house we will yield to your prophecy. I see heart and your passion for Y'shua it beams of the screen. I know others will blast this because there opinions and doubts but I am a believer in yah. And he will use this body to piece out complete truth. I feel he has given me a message to spread about the Illuminati and the vatican. But people stay stuck and boxed in like the greek. I stay open minded like a hebrew thanks to Messiah. If you end up wrong ah well you tried and I love you for it, if you end up right thanks for being a faithful soldier to Y'shua...Love everybody here. and Im not stuck at pre,mid or post gathering Im like Mark Biltz it will pan out but be vidgently for the day of the master is near.
Yitz'ach
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Posted 5 months ago #

Shalom Steakguy

I don't believe in the "rapture" and never have. What I said is just what was given me in ways that stretch my imagination. When I asked for witnesses I get a Torah teacher talking about something over here, then suddenly making a statement about the church of Philadelphia, then going back to his subject. I'm driving down the road singing praises and am suddenly with Abraham when the three men came to him up until Lot is safe. I'm reading the AENT glossary when I find reference to another dimension, then find a stronger reference about 15 pages later. When I ask for scriptural witnesses, I get them almost immediately. I've been studying this for 11 months now and am now "driven" to let more people know what I've been told.
I am NOT a student in any sense of the word. I am a DUMMY! These words are NOT mine. I can't say for sure whos' they are, but the feeling is this is from out Father in Heaven. These "portals" are not for everybody. Read Rev 3:7-10 to see that.
The other subject I've been led into lately is the difference between the first three gospels and the fourth one. Yahshuah has a seder with the disciples in Matt., Mark, and Luke. In John, the Pharasees don't want to go into Pilates building and become defiled. They want to have their Pesach seder. I am led to believe Yahshuah uses the conjunction of the moon where the Pharasees use the crescent to determine the beginning of the month/year. David knew when the new moon was before it happened. I'm still looking for more witnesses either way. I'm open to the truth.

Shalom in Yahshuah our Savior

Yitzach
steakguy
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Posted 5 months ago #

Shalom Yitzak, I know you were very clear about the dimension not being a rapture in your first post. I was stating I dont want to get stuck on things for example rapture pre, mid or post. I was trying to convey to people to stay open to certain things. And I was having a tender heart towards your very different prophecy a (remnant gathering in another dimesion). I am open to finding truth even if I have to repent in my own ways which sometimes hurts the flesh to Yah's soveriegn perfect way.
Yitz'ach
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Posted 5 months ago #

Shalom Steakguy

My Better half reminded me of the Israelites in Egypt during the last seven plagues. Were they in another dimension or were they just protected like in Psalm 91?

I was just adding some information on how I came by this revelation, not dwelling on the rapture thing. I'm new here and wanted to let my friends know a bit more about me.
I think for myself and don't let others lead me astray. My earth dad taught me to think about A + B = C. If the pieces don't add up correctly, there is something wrong somewhere. My new teacher (for the last 8 years) is the Word. If it ain't in the word, I question it. Such is the conjunction/crescent thing. I don't put the right shoe on first, then the left, then tie the right, then the left. That's how the rabbis' say we HAVE to do it. It is not in scripture that way. Just like their rules for Shabbat. Shabbat is to be a joy for us to keep, not a worry about what some rabbi (or pope) says to do.

Bless You,

Love, Yitz'ach
steakguy
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Posted 5 months ago #

hehe welcome and love you Yitza'ch,,, My family will stay in our house or with believers in their house on Aviv 14 and 15. I have faith in messiah in you brother,

Hinei ma tov...
Rich
Yitz'ach
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Posted 5 months ago #

Shalom All

Some have questioned the possibility of portals. Maybe this will help. This is one of the witnesses I received when I asked for them.

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=9739&security=1041&news_iv_ctrl=1526
This is Sid Roth TV February 14 2011.
There was another one on GLC about a woman who translated to a South American country to preach.

Shalom My Friends

Yitzach
lockness
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Posted 4 months ago #

Shalom LaLohn, I have read with interest your comments and also those of Steakguy - thank you. The reason I am interested is that recently we were invited to hear Rob Moore from http://www.inthatday.net
He spoke on Shabbat about the 'sign's in the heavens and what they have to do with the times that have been and will be. His message is:'Understanding the Elijah Message in the last days'. He has not been able to do a CD yet of this, but he defineately spoke of 'the Ark', whether it is another dimension that we will be put in or what, I do not exactly know, however, if it is true that two years have passed, and five are still to come of the famine, then we at the next Pesach, will be entering into the third year. And we know that at the end of the second year, Yoceph revealed himself to his brothers and they were brought down to Goshen with Ya'acob their father, and their families.

What Rob has to say is backed up by Scripture and as he goes through the signs in the heavens, you can understand from the scriputes. I am sure if you were interested in looking into his revelations you could email him.

We are to test every spirit in these last days, but I do not want to be ignorant and have my toes stuck in the sand and not be listening to what the Ruach is saying. Does not mean I have itchy ears or I believe everything, it means that I truly pray to YHWH that I want to know His truth in these last days, I do not want to be ignorant.
Yitz'ach
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Posted 4 months ago #

Shalom Lockness

All I'm doing is what I have been shown and am driven to share. Scripture says to stay in your house, be dressed, shoes on your feet, and eat hurriedly. It doesn't say anything about a four hour meal, scripted from beginning to end. I don't know which day, exactly, is to be the right day. Three gospels have Yahshuah eating a Seder one day ahead of the Pharasees in John. Does this mean Yahshuahs' month/year start on the conjunction of the moon? I feel (not very scriptural) this next April 4,5, or 6, SOME of His people will be taken to a "safe place" for 5 years (4 1/2). I am still amazed by all the witnesses that were brought to me concerning this revelation, some from way out in left field. We will be waiting all three evenings (if necessary) for something to happen. Adrienne, myself, and four big white dogs, with some camping equiptment on carts. I have also posted this message on the Way To Zion forum if you want to see more thoughts on this. Also, last night I had a double vision about this. The meaning was the moedim will not longer be dress rehearsals, but the real deal.
Shalom and Love and Blessings to All
Yitz'ach
5harbormom5
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Posted 4 months ago #

Hi laLohn (and others)

Have you listened to Hollisa Alewine's teaching? I recently watched a few video's of her presentation, and her depth of study is about how the 7 days of creation reveal all kinds of other 7's. Such as the 7 traits of the Spirit, the 7 seals, the 7 years, etc. It was very interesting, but I'd like to hear the whole teaching...
You can see a few videos on Vimeo if you type in 'Scot Dryer', then scroll and you'll see Hollisa's name. I think you might find it intriguing. She mentions at the beginning that she thinks we'll be protected, but she didn't have time to cover it at this conference that was taped.

Blessings,
Linda
Yitz'ach
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Posted 4 months ago #

Shalom All My Friends

I have been recently having some thoughts about this revelation. Could it be the exodus that eclipses the exodus from Egypt? The one more incredible than the first?

Please, understand me when I say I am not advocating giving up all, or any of our scriptures/teachings. Just be ready as we are told to be for Pesach. If Abba has something for us, we will get it.

In the past, when the Ruach has spoken to me, I didn't know it was the Ruach because there was no voice. This time I clearly heard the voice twice. Was it the Ruach or not, I don't know. I do know everything was miraculusly set in front of me straight from scriptures.

Love and Blessings,
Yitz'ach
gnlopez
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Posted 4 months ago #

Read Ias.57:1 for the other dimension. Remember its only for the weak, those of us that are strong will face ten trials in the wilderness.
Yitz'ach
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom gnlopez

February 19, 1996 I spent 30 minutes with our Redeemer. The only way I am strong is my belief in Him! If any of my family is threatened by forces I can't fight, then I am weak. And I know those forces are out there. I do not know how He will protect His people, I just know He WILL!!! Some are to be tried and made stronger, some are to be kept from harm. It says so in scripture. I am 67 years young and mighty in body and mind. He knows what I and my family need and He will provide it. I will do my best to keep His instructions, Shabbats, moedim, and food laws. I will keep Him in my heart, always and all ways.

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach

Shabbat.....Sha.....Abba.....Bat....Eternal ......Father......daughter/daughter of.
Don't mess with the Eternal Fathers' little girl!!!!!
Cath
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Posted 3 months ago #

very interesting to read all these comments and what Yah has been showing you Yitz'ach, thank you for sharing :-)

About a month ago, I had a very real excitement in my Ruach, that something great is about to happen..when & where ... no idea,just that for those that are close to Abba, it would be exciting, and those who are not, will be in termoil.

Something is happening though, there is a 'shift' taking place in my own personal life. My elderly mother's house sold when it was not even on the market, & she is moving interstate back to the family (those who think I'm strange):And, my 21 yr old who left home last year is returning next week. Only Abba could be doing this, its as if he He moving those who are likeminded closer and those who are not further apart - particulally in the household...he is bringing my prodigal home...

Its also interesting that you questioning the Peasach thing in the Gospels, because I believe the first three have been mistranslated. It would have been impossible for Yahshua to have had celebrated Passover before 'Passover' as it wold have been a violation of Torah and He would not have been the 'Perfect Sacrifice"
Yitz'ach
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Cath,

My question about Pesach involves whether Yeshua started the month/year on the conjunction while the Pharasees started on the crescent. I can find no proof in the CJB or AENT about this.

The events that are begining to take place with His people seem to be speeding up. I take my revelation at face value (going to another dimension) while my wife is of the opinion we will either be sheltered or in a like place in another dimension. I have heard of areas in this dimension that will be protected for some, but that's not what I was told/feel. My dear wife is usually right, tho. She is my precious pearl that I sold all I had and bought. My Proverbs 31 wife! Time is dragging very slow for me waiting for the 4th, 5th, and 6th of April. I WANNA KNOW NOW!!!!! I've been waiting since last year(it didn't happen then) to see just how incredible our Father works His Wonders. Will something happen this Pesach? Something we can see? Or was I misled by the deceiver? I don't dare to say that for fear of blaspheming the Ruach, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been misled by a vision. The difference in this one is it's all backed up with scriptures. And miraclously brought to me, to boot. I did have the same dream/vision twice,recently, back to back one night, and was awakened by my hand being very painful both times to awaken me. The vision said the moedim from now on were not dress rehearsals anymore. Elohim uses the least to work or pass messages thru. And I am one of the least when it comes to knowledge of scriptures or being able to comunicate with or lead people. But I'm trying desperately to learn. I'm 67, and don't have the memory I had just a few years ago, so it's hard to learn when you don't remember what you just read.

Love and Blessings

Yitz'ach

CJB= Complete Jewish Bible, AENT= Aramic English New Testament
visionary
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Posted 3 months ago #

I have only one thing to share... This Pesach coming up is going to be a special one. Just as we need the blood that night over our doors to keep the death angel from coming in, so also must we be ready... I too, have come to similar tie ins to this Pesach. I must admit the third dimension isn't how I picture it though.. Yeshua went to a awful lot of trouble to make sure that His Father does not grant the prayers of the rapture believers when He prayed..

John 17:15
New International Version (NIV)
15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

Since you have brought up Mark Blitz.. I would like to share something else to tie in with that.. Now the real "eye-opener" is June 7, 1967, when Jerusalem came back under the control of the "re-birthed" Nation of Israel, and partially fulfilled

Luke 21:24 "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

June 7, 1967 began the “first day of the last generation" Jesus spoke about in Luke 21:32! In Lev. 28:8, the text says to number 49 years (Biblical Year = 360 days) to arrive at the Jubilee year (50th year).

49 X 360 = 17,640 days If you count the number of days from June 7, 1967, to September 23, 2015 (the Day of Atonement in 2015), you will find there is exactly 17,640 days.

Go backwards 1260 days, you will arrive at April 11, 2012, middle of Passover/Unleaven Bread week in 2012! Add 75 days onto September 23, 2015, you will arrive at the 1st Day of Hannukah on December 7, 2015, very possibly fulfilling the exact day count of 1335 days in Daniel 12:12 "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

The only one not worked out is the 1290...
Woody
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Posted 3 months ago #

Yitz'ach,
You may find the link I'm providing interesting. It will make reference to Rashi's commentary on Exodus 12:37 which states;

From Ramses to Succoth: They were 120 "mil" [apart]. Yet they arrived there instantly, as it is said; "and I carried you on eagles' wings." - [from Mechilta}

This teaching links the similarities between the Red Sea crossing and when Yeshua came to his disciples on the water followed by the immediate arrival to the shore.
http://www.jewisheyes.org/newsletters/Walking_On_Water.pdf

I hope you find it interesting.

Shalom,
Steve
Yitz'ach
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom All,

I'm having trouble with the blood on the doorposts. How many of us live where we can do that and roast the lamb over fire inside the house? My wife just informed me she has been putting the blood on our doorposts every Pesach. I still have trouble with the lamb roasting. Not all of us can do that. You can roast it in the oven, but can you burn it all up in there?

The year/month started with the new moon.......they could not sight the crescent from the temple mount. Garry Capps says any bedouin can tell you when the new moon (conjunction) is.

Phillip came up out of the water from baptising the egyptian and immediately was in Ashdod. Enoch walked with God and was not. Elijah dissappeared in a firey chariot while Elisha watched. Yeshua was taken to the cliff to be stoned and walked through their midst. Yeshua went up in the air and dissappeared in a cloud. Are these examples of portals in scripture in addition to Woodys examples? The Red sea is at least 100 miles where they crossed. How long did that take? 15 miles a day? A column of 600,000 men plus women and children 50 yards wide stretches how long? Add wagon loads of household goods and building materials (the Tabernacle) and now how long? Yes, YHVH carried them on eagles wings......through portals???? Bruce Allen spoke of how he drove a 4 hour minimum drive in about 2 hours and remembered every turn along the way.

This is all just so amazing and I am just like a little kid waiting for that pagan morning in the winter. Less than two months now and only another three lifetimes to go (grin). I feel there are going to be many asked to enter a portal on that eve. People who are kind, forgiving, unselfish, generous, LOVING. Whether they be Torah Keepers, catholics, protestants, muslim, hindu, buddhist, or hotentot. Some to another dimension, some to a safe place in this dimension, and some to ........? I have a few good friends I would love to see in another dimension where they will be safe and learning about our Elohim as I have learned about Him. Hallelu Yah

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach
NinaLucas
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Posted 3 months ago #

Someone with more tack that me please set this guy (Yitz'ach) straight because this is an abomination!!!
Ryan & Mandi Toups
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Posted 3 months ago #

@Yitzach, There was a teaching going around last year called (the exodus 12 passover) very dangerous teaching, You will find no where in scripture where they again put the blood over there doorpost, it was a ONE time thing for that specific purpose in Egypt, Now if you are with family and kids then putting Something fake on the door to tell them what happen coming out of egypt is fine to show them the story...but to put real goat or lambs blood over the door is insulting to our Messiah. We are not in the Land and do not have the Temple to perorm a passover according to scripture, now if we had the Temple then we would do them, just as we will again in Ezekiels Temple...At work right now but I can show you in scripture in the Torah that commands us to only to it where His name is, in the Land(Israel) where YHVH has commanded...That is why most Jews do not even eat lamb on Passover, they are being very cautious not to violate Torah...will get back with you to show some scripture on this when I am home from work
Shalom...Shalom
Ryan
Yitz'ach
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Nina and Ryan,

I LOVE getting corrected because it means I'll learn the right way to do something! Bless you both! We are/were taking scriptures literaly. Exodus 12:6-14 especially 14. We have not heard of this "exodus 12 passover" before now. We can see where the blood would be eliminated because of Yeshuas' sacrifice on the tree for us. We await your scriptures setting us straight, Ryan. Thank You!

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach
Ryan & Mandi Toups
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Posted 3 months ago #
Ryan & Mandi Toups
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Yitzach,
I like your zeal bro, last year I heard of the "Exodus 12 Passover" from some belivers who did not live very far from me. It sounded awesome they were having it at a farm with alot of land. I was pumped and ready to join them and others, they sent me info on what kind of passover they were doing, the Exodus 12 Passover, just like you were saying they took that scripture literaly, and rightly so. I then begin to study and see that what they were doing was basically trying to fufill that scripture and it becoming more of a sacrifice than remeberance. You said it right that the blodd would be eliminated because of Yeshua's sacrifice, we have his blood covering us and need not to put blood of a animal over the door. That is merely what i was commenting on earlier was the blood that you said you did not even know was happening. Not real sure about the rest of the scripture in Exodus bro, but consider that this was a one time thing in scripture about certain things YHVH told them....consider this scripture on how He commands Israel to observe the Passover, which we cannot do because we have no Temple and are not in the Land right now....
Ryan & Mandi Toups
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Posted 3 months ago #

Sorry posted before i could continue....
Deu 16:1 Observe the month Aviv, and PERFORM the Passover to YAHWEH your Elohim. For in the month of Aviv, YAHWEH your Elohim brought you out of Egypt by night.
Deu 16:2 And you shall SACRIFICE a Passover to YAHWEH your Elohim of the flock, and of the herd, in the place which He shall choose to cause His name to dwell there (Jerusalem).
Deu 16:3 You shall eat with it no leaven. You shall eat unleavened bread with it seven days, even the bread of affliction. For you came out of the land of Egypt in haste, so that you may remember the day that you came out of the land of Egypt all the days of your life.
Deu 16:4 And there shall be no leaven seen with you in your borders seven days; nor shall any of the flesh which you sacrificed the first day at evening remain all night until the morning.
Deu 16:5 You may NOT sacrifice the Passover offering inside any of your gates, which YAHWEH your Elohim gives you.
Deu 16:6 But at the place which He shall choose to cause His name to dwell there (Jerusalem), you shall sacrifice the Passover offering at evening, at the going of the sun, at the time when you came out of Egypt.
Deu 16:7 And you shall cook and eat in the place which YAHWEH your Elohim shall choose (Jerusalem). And in the morning you shall turn and go into your tents.

You can see here and other scriptures in the Torah and the Prophets about how they performed the Passover....Numbers 9:10-12, 2Chronicles 30:1-27. We can not properly keep Yah's feast being outside of Jerusalem...which is why many Jews around the world do not do Lamb on Passover, to be cautious and not violate Torah, but instead do it as a rememberance of what YHVH did in Egypt, and for us who belive in Yeshua His Sacrifice for us. Just thought I would share that bro, My wife and I and other believers still do some lamb, buying it at the store and cook and eat it, in rememberance celebrating the deliverance from Egypt, being in bondage physically, to being free from bondage spirtually through Yeshua...The ones teaching this Exodus 12 Passover go much more in to detail than what you described, as to slaughtering the lamb and catching the blood in the basin and putting in on there doors, trying to keep the ordinances according to scripture without being in the Land and at the Temple...Sorry not on the orginal subject of your revelation, just saw Ninalucas comment LOL! Zealous sister she is! and saw your comment of the Passover....
Blessings and Shalom
Ryan
Ryan & Mandi Toups
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom again Yitzach, here is another scripture also showing why we could not keep pesach the way YHVH commands according to Torah, Numbers 9 talks about them preparing for Pesach and there were a group of men who were defiled by a dead body who could not keep pesach at that apointed time but were commanded to keep it in the second month...The men would have had to be sanctified by the ashes of the Red heifer, so all of us are unclean because of funerals we have been part of in our lifetime...We also need to be cleansed by the ashes of the red heifer to partake of it according to Torah...So its a remeberance and reharsal until the Millenuim reign when Yeshua returns and then the feast will be done the right way with the Temple and in the Land...(Numbers 9:1-12)
Shalom
Ryan
Yitz'ach
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom My Friend,

Thank you, Ryan. Deuteronomy 16 says we can only have the Pesach sacrifice at the place where YHVH puts His Name (Jerusalem) but Exodus 12 says to remember this as a 'permanent regulation'. I believe we are to be in our homes with our loins girded, shoes on our feet, staff in hand, and eat hurriedly. Exodus 12 says they left during the night. There seems to be a few of us thinking something will happen this Pesach. I KNOW that what I received last year was not from me, but from inside me. It was an incredible experience. It was amazing how all the pieces fell into place so quickly as I asked for witnesses.

Is it possible Yeshua was our red heifer as Rico says?

When I relax in Yeshua, I KNOW this will come to pass. When I try to logically reason it out to defend what I was shown I become confused. COME ON APRIL!!!!

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach
Ryan & Mandi Toups
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shabbat Shalom my friend,
I agree with what you are saying with Exodus 12 this is a permanent regualtion. Not sure bro on stuff that is going to happen this Pesach, we will see. I do believe what Rico says that Yeshua is our red heifer spiritually, but if the Temple was still standing right now and we were to enter it, we would have to be cleansed physically by the red heifer to enter right now according to Torah(Numbers 19)...remember becareful with burning up the lamb in your oven....first to not burn the house down lol...secondly and more seriously that you do not violate Torah trying to keep Pesach with its ordnances without the Temple. Even brother Judah would not attempt of burning up a lamb completely in there oven and neither would I.

Blessings and Shalom bro
Ryan
Teresa C.
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Posted 3 months ago #

And ye shall keep it [the lamb] up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
(Exo 12:6-8 KJV)

Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.
(Deu 16:1 KJV)

And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
(Exo 12:14 KJV)

And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.
(Exo 12:16-20 KJV)

Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover. And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.
(Exo 12:21-22 KJV)

And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. And he called for Moses and Aaron by night, and said, Rise up, and get you forth from among my people, both ye and the children of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as ye have said.
(Exo 12:30-31 KJV)

And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians.
(Num 33:3 KJV)

It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.
(Exo 12:42 KJV)

Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt<strong/> all the days of thy life.
(Deu 16:3 KJV)

What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it out of the camp, And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:
(Lev 17:3-4 KJV)

And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice, And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer it unto the LORD; even that man shall be cut off from among his people.
(Lev 17:8-9 KJV)
Yitz'ach
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Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Randy and Teresa,

Randy....I'm not saying I'm burning the bones up. I'm saying nobody can burn bones up in an oven (natural gas, propane, or electric) in the house. The stoves we have just won't do it.(not to mention the smoke involved) Adrienne has said she won't be smearing blood on the doorposts anymore now she has been enlightened about it. Thank You!

Teresa....slaying an animal for 'food' is not against Torah. You must drain the blood out on the ground, then cover it(the blood) with dirt. Then we may eat it for a meal or a feast. Remember,the original Pesach lamb was killed without being taken to the temple. Slaying an animal for a 'sacrifice' without having the temple and/or altar is a sin against Torah.(which is against Elohim)

I suppose I should make a clarification about what I believe is about to happen for the final five years of the end times.(scripture according to the book of Yitz'ach)

SOME of Elohims' people will be taken to a safe place on a Pesach, soon. Genesis 45 &46

At the same time, some of Elohims' people will be taken to another dimension to a safe place.(those who are weak)Revelation 3:7-10

Other of His people will be left to witness to the remaining people for YHVH.(those who are strong and those who will be tested by fire)

Whether it happens this year or another one is not for me to say with any certainty. That's Elohims' department. It just feels right for this year for me and many others. If it doesn't happen this year, I'll just keep on living for our Savior and helping those I come in contact with. And I'll be dressed with my shoes on and my staff(a hula hoe) in my hand and eat quickly in my home!

I pray we all get to be with Yashua where He writes his instructions on our new hearts!

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach
Yedida
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

Yitz'ach,
On the differences of the "preparation day" I have heard three different things (I tend to lean actually toward the first and last, though the second is a part of tradition today).
1 - In the Pesachim (reference unknown) there is a short reference to a Galilean tradition of the first born males taking a meal in the evening of the beginning of the day before they would begin a day-long fast carrying them up to the actual Seder.
2 - Many rabbis will hold a "teaching" Seder with his students to teach them deeper insights into the meal before sending them home to fulfull the mitzvot of sharing the meal with their households.
3 - The two main sects of Judaism of the day were the Pharisees and the Saduccees. They observed different calendars. The Saduccees' day of preparation was the 14th, partaking of the meal on the beginning of the 15th (after sundown of the 14th). The Pharisees' ((of which most scholars agree that Yeshua was a follower) and I guess Zealots') preparation day was the 13th and partaking of the meal on the 14th. The Temple would celebrate according to whichever sect was in charge of the Temple at the time. My understanding is that it was the Saduccees at that time. And that explains the differences of the timelines. Some of the gospel writers wrote according to the timeline that Yeshua was using and others the calendar of the Temple that year.

I'm sorry, I can only tell you what I've been taught because due to a computer crash a few months back I still haven't been able to replace all of my study documents. But I thought I'd share with you at least somethings to look into and study further for clarification.
Yitz'ach
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Yedida,

Thanks for your answer. Mostly, I'm looking for when Yeshua begins His month/year. Does He start on the conjunction or the crescent. My belief is on the conjunction because He gave it to us in Egypt, not at the temple mount. Garry Capps says any bedouin can tell you when the conjunction is. If you pay attention to moon phases, you can easily tell when the conjunction is by sighting the last quarter or the last crescent. If I'm right, we will look for Pesach one day before the Jews, or one day before what is written on the calendar. For 2012, the new moon is March 22, 14:37, UT. That makes it Abib 1 at sunset. Counting 14 days forward we come to April 4 at sunset. My calendar shows Passover on April 7.(oops) Starting April 4, at sunset, my Adrienne and I will be waiting as per Exodus 12. And if necessary, April 5,... and April 6. I do believe this is one Pesach we don't want to miss! (It should be fun with 4 white dogs and a cart with camping equiptment and a little food. I'll be praying for spiritual assistance.)

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach
Yedida
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

Except for the Karaites, most Jews in the Diaspora observe usually a small Seder the night before and the main one on the same day as Israel - that helps maintain the unity to community that Judaism is all about. That's one of the reason they have remained stong - unity.
As a Messianic I follow suit, a small Seder and a communal one.
Yedida
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

I don't see a way to edit my above post, so gotta make a new one.
This is what I see as happening with Yeshua, he had a teaching Seder (otherwise he and all of them were breaking Passover laws as it was to be eaten with their individual families in their own homes, and notice that the table had no lamb - one slight alteration in this lesson). That one He, with His family, was not permitted to partake as He was busy beng the Lamb!
Ryan & Mandi Toups
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Yitzach and Yedida,
Yitzach it depends on what calendar you are following to saying the new moon will be on the 22 of march...But the calendar is not one I will argue ever about seeing how much disunity it has brought in the body...

@Yedida, thanks for your comments on how they were doing things in Yeshua's time, your comments were a big help to me, I also love what you said about being in unity with Israel on the calendar...

Blessings and Shalom to you both
Ryan
Yitz'ach
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Ryan,

I got the new moon time from the USNaval Observatory.

Love and Blessings,

Yitz'ach
Teresa C.
Moderator
Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Yitz'ach,

You wrote "Teresa....slaying an animal for 'food' is not against Torah. You must drain the blood out on the ground, then cover it(the blood) with dirt. Then we may eat it for a meal or a feast. Remember,the original Pesach lamb was killed without being taken to the temple. Slaying an animal for a 'sacrifice' without having the temple and/or altar is a sin against Torah.(which is against Elohim)."

I am entirely in agreement with you! I listed solely scripture to let it speak of itself. I chose scriptures that addressed Pesach and sacrifice only (in keeping with the subject at the time).

But I'll be honest Yitz'ach, I had great concern to learn that blood was being placed on your (or any others) doorpost; "My wife just informed me she has been putting the blood on our doorposts every Pesach." It was my intent to provide clarification for all reading this post that the sacrifice of a Pesach lamb AND/OR the blood on the doorpost were both no longer to be practiced.

In Exodus 12, when this instruction was given, these lambs were sacrificed when there was no temple (as you pointed out); the sacrifice of these lambs and the blood on the doorposts were, for that singular occasion, symbolic of Messiah and His blood.

I am also very grateful to learn that this is no longer to be done by you and your wife and hope that others would benefit from this discussion in like manner if this has been their practice in the past.

You have an interesting perspective on scripture that not everyone will agree with but we are all in different places of our understanding in our walk. Let me clearly say I'm not condemning anyone here, no one has all the answers and we are all striving to serve YHVH to the best of our understanding. So long as we allow our vessels to be filled, we will continue to grown in grace and knowledge. It's when we determine "my cup is full" that we might miss out on the opportunity to grow beyond our own self imposed boundaries.

The subjects you've broached on regarding both the moon and the Pesach, not surprisingly, often give way to argument, contention and disunity as Ryan notes.

As scripture is presented regarding these or any issues, I pray it be done with humility and gentleness.
Yitz'ach
Member
Posted 3 months ago #

Shalom Teresa and Ryan and All My Friends here,

I am NOT trying to start ANY arguments!!!! I am just trying to do it RIGHT. I would not want to find I missed something important because I missed something by a day or two. Earlier this year, I was lead to the gospels where I was drawn to the difference between Matt., Mark., Luke and Johns' Pesach timing. After last years revelation, I listen more diligently when I think the Ruach speaks to me. Understand, I am NOT a student. I read scriptures like a story book. The Ruach, I am finding, speaks to me to show me things I/we should know. When it speaks, I dig in and study the best I can. I have trouble remembering things when I read them. I can learn better if I discuss them with others. If I can't find something, I ask here. There are wonderful people here who are trying to learn as I am. I am VERY greatful for all your helps! I hope that my learning teaches all of us the things we are supposed to know.

Love and Blessings To All of Us,

Yitz'ach
Woody
Member
Posted 2 months ago #

While doing a word study for "truth" I found this that you may find interesting.

Genesis 24:27 And he said: Blessed be God, the God of my master Avraham, Who has not forsaken His lovingkindness and his truth from my master! I am still on the way, but God has already led me to the house of my master's brothers. (quoted from The Hirsch Chumash)

Torah Commentary by Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev (Kedushat Levi translated by Eliyahu Munk): It is noteworthy that the word Bet-Dalet-Resh-Kaf sofit, "on the way," is written with the vowel patach, instead of the semi vowel sheva that we would have expected. The former refers to a "definitive path, way, one that was commonly known." Surely no highway led from Kiryat Arba to Aram Naharayim! We must assume therefore that what Eliezer meant to convey by choosing this word Bet-Dalet-Resh-Kaf sofit, is not the route that led from Kiryat Arba to Aram Naharayim, but the feeling that he progressed with unnatural speed to his goal, or as the sages in Bereshit rabbah 60,6 say that Eliezer covered a two week journey in a single day, so that he realized that this miracle was proof that his mission would succeed. It was clear to him therefore that the house that he was taken to must be the house of Avraham's family.

Torah Commentary by Rabbi Bachya ben Asher (translated by Eliyahu Munk): It is possible to read into this wording that Eliezer had experienced that the earth miraculously telescoped beneath him while he was travelling, thus shortening his trip considerably, as our sages have explained in Sanhedrin 73. We would then have to understand the word Bet-Dalet-Resh-Kaf sofit, as if he had said; "I was on this long and tedious journey, and here G'd brought me to this well in one fell swoop when I had only just set out." This would also be the reason he emphasised his arrival Hey-Yod-Vav-Mem sofit in verse 42, as if to say: "I started out today and I arrived today."

I find it intriguing that this happens when he is looking for Isaac's bride with the purpose of bringing her to the promised land.
Yitz'ach
Member
Posted 2 months ago #

Shalom Woody,

Thanks for that information. I've been looking at something similar. The exodus had 600,000 men plus women and children plus mixed multitude plus wagons of building materials plus herds plus flocks. How fast could they travel? Three miles an hour sounds reasonable. How long was the column? It was about 175 to 200 miles from Sukkot to the Red Sea crossing. That would have taken 58 to 66 days. The 10 to 12 mile crossing would have been about 4 hours for the leaders plus how much for the above column plus the stragglers. We watched Walter Veith last night ( http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/12/108-the-spade-unearths-the-truth/ )and he said Pharaoh died the same day the Israelites left Egypt. Either he has erroneous information or the Israelites moved very fast. YHVH said He brought them out of Egypt on eagles wings. One big butt eagle? Many big butt eagles? A time warp? A portal? I'm so confused.........and loving it!!!!! 39 more days to April 4!!!!

Love and Blessings, Yitz'ach
Woody
Member
Posted 2 months ago #

I found yet another essay along these lines. http://www.thetorah.tv/library/Wilderness_a_Place_of_Refuge.pdf