I have decided to be a celebent believer in Messiah and i'd like to know if it is Biblical to become a eunuch.
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- Posted by Reynaldo Roman 1 year ago. There are 20 posts. The latest reply is from slave4messiah.
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"if your right hand offends thee, cut it off". Paul said "i wish that you could all be like me. But if you cant resist, it's better to marry than to burn."
Jesus was tempted in all things 'like as we are' yet in himn was no sin. "we should walk as he walked" and "let this mind be in you, that was in Christ Jesus".
so, did Jesus get castrated? nope. Was he 'tempted' like as we are towards the opposite sex? yep! did he overcome with his fathers help? 100% of the time.
Rey, develope a relationship with Jesus, let him become your best friend. Talk to him like he is right there and he's your best buddy! it's totally worth it. He will fill you with love for everyone, you wont want to hurt a soul. You will have a genuine love for the opposite sex, or even the same sex. You wont be worried about sin anymore. You will know that God has paid that price. Now , all he wants is for you to be his best friend and be in open to His spirit. You will be so happy you did. Life , sex, abstinance, all that stuff, will not matter anymore. Everything will fall into place after a while. You will do no harm to anyone.
Your going to love it Rey. A trusting relationship with God is the key.
God is blessing you!
david
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Umm...In no way was Paul condoning homosexual relationships. Both the Tanakh and the 1st century writings are both very clear on this matter. If this is the issue you are dealing with then I would say yes it is more prudent to remain celibate. As far as castrating yourself, I don't believe that there is any biblical support for such action. If you are not dealing with this issue, I'm not sure there really is support for celibacy; after all the very first commandment in scriptures is to be fruitful and multiply.
Isaiah 56 talks about rewards for eunuchs who keep Yahweh's Shabbats and His covenant but I think that while this verse does apply to literal eunuchs too, it seems to be speaking more to those who do not have children in Israel and thus have no one to perpetuate their name in Israel.
Shalom,
Ryan -
So we're commanded to get married in the torah?
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In The Day.. many if not all male servants in the household of rulers were castrated to stop fornication within their house.
Castration is mutilation of the Temple and should be a last resort.
We should control the use of the Temple to keep it Kodesh (Holy).
Just a thought
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I believe Adonai has always had the intention that His people were to marry and have children. For one thing, as Ryan pointed out, the first instruction given was to be fruitful and multiply. You can't do that by yourself. Also, I've heard the theory, and it is a theory still needing to be studied out, that it is through having children that a man and woman become one. I think Adonai wants to have His "family" as big as possible.
However, I also think that Adonai has given a gift of singleness to some, such as Paul. It is easier to do the work of traveling to spread the message if one doesn't have a wife and children to worry about. I think this may have been what Paul was talking about. Although, his instruction to get married is so you can avoid sinful behaviors if you are one who has strong sexual desires.
Regardless of what you may choose to do, pray about it. Be sure you are following Adonai's will for YOU!
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You see, i'm a schitzophrenic-bipolar, and i always need someone to look after me like my mother and father do. I can't take care of myself in the sense that i always need someone to ask me if i've taken my pills or how am i feeling, or things like this. Also i feel that im about 80-85 percent normal. Everywhere i go my body makes me lust for the flesh so much that in fact i have come to the conclusion that i should just stay celebent because im tired of all these sexual feelings which is part of the bipolar disorder and also i cant take care of myself in the sense that i need someone to look after me. So if i cant take care of my self how can i take care of a family of my own. Fortunately i have 2 siblings though younger than i that can take care of me in the future. But changing the mood of things here, did'nt Yeshua speak of castration for the kingdoms sake in the new testament? Anyone ever read that part in the Gospel of Mathew for example?
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Reyizdaman,
First let me say how much I respect your courage. It's obvious you want to do the right thing.
Being a eunuch in His service is ok. Isa56:2-6
But let's make sure we mean the same thing.
A eunuch can mean someone who has been castrated, is impotent, or an unmarried man or a chamberlain or officer.
All of these can (but don't have to) fall into the definition of celibate.
If you are married, unless in agreement with your husband or wife, you are not to with hold sexual rights from one another. 1Cor7:3
If you are unmarried and you have sexual desires that cause you to sin, via lust or fornication (sex outside of marriage) then it is better for you to be married. 1Cor7:9
It's ok to remain unmarried and celibate. For Paul, it was preferable because all his attention could be devoted to the Lord.
It's never inferred, that I can see, to castrate oneself. And It's definitely not ok to be in any other type of sexual relationship except in marriage of one woman with one man and with each other only.
Remaining celibate, getting married, remaining unmarried - all of these are big and profound decisions. I appreciate you wanting to find information, but your venue for this decision might better be served outside of a blog.
Can I suggest Dr. Scotty Thomas of Lion & Lamb Ministries? Here is his direct email address dr.scotty@lionlamb.net. Dr. Scotty is the prayer leader of Lion & Lamb ministries and also has set up a Paltalk prayer session. If you like, I'm sure he will include you in those for whom he prays for.
Meanwhile, rest assured that I will pray for you and I am sure others will too. Please don't make any decision that can't be undone. If you can, find an elders to speak to, like Rico or someone else you can trust.
Have you spoken with your parents or your siblings concerning this matter? It sounds like you trust your life to them, they might be able to offer insight to you that you haven't though of.
I pray for God's peace and joy to surround you and keep you.
Shalom,
Teresa
Where did you find Yeshua speak of castration for the kingdom's sake?
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Does anyone know the exact meaning of Matthew 19 verses 11-12 where it says:
"But He said to them,"All cannot accept this saying but only those to whom it has been given: "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heavens sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."
Do these to verses teach castration or celibacy? what does the word eunuch mean in these two verses??? If this teaches castration then i would seriously like to know because the bipolar disorder that i have is just killing me with sexual impulses for seven straight years (approximately) and im sick and tired of sexual feelings what to doooo???? Thats why i'd like to know if castration is biblical or not to see what my options are. Someone that knows these scriptures and there meaning please reply soon!
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Reyizdaman,
I am not sure the details of your sexual feelings. I will tell you that it appears to me that Yeshua was talking about dying to the flesh. Giving up our selfish worldly lives for the kingdom. Being born again. I can not really advise you what to do about this physically but I can tell you I have had very similar struggles with lust. I'm sure there are many others who have. It is a very shameful feeling. I can pray for you and also right now ask everyone who reads this to pray for you that the desires that are impure be taken away in the Name of Yeshua. I will also give you some practical advise. If your sexual issues are effecting someone else, stop now and get yourself away from that situation. Don't let your sin destroy someone else. Get help if you have to. In my past, I will tell you, my sin has ruined many relationships and caused much pain. I will also tell you, if you make a decision to be castrated, it's a decision you will have to live with. At one time in my past I considered the possibility. That's as far as it went, though, was just a consideration. -
Dear reyisdaman,
I am so sorry you are in this suffering state. Our prayers are with you.
We can give you commentary and provide you with prayer but no one here can advise you what to do. The fact that you are schizophrenic and bi-polar means your decision making is somewhat impaired and the help you are asking for to make such a decision should be given to you by your involved medical professional(s) and family.
You very much need to address this with your own medical team and family because they along with you will be dealing with the aftermath of whatever choice you make.
Have you discussed this with your medical practitioner(s) or family!?? You need to find out from them if castration is a viable option for you.
I am impressed that you recognize the need for help and are attempting to correct it before it gets any worse. You are on the right path, but you still need to talk to your caretakers...
Don't hurt anyone including yourself. Don't do what you know is wrong and work to keep all thoughts in subjection to His Word. I don't know to what degree your sexual impulses are affecting you but they are natural, everyone has them. The thing is not to act on them inappropriately. It may be that your med's can be altered to help calm your urges - but you need to talk to your doctor / psych or councilor and family.
We're praying for you.
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Shalom Reyizdaman,
It is obvious from your postings that this isn’t just some impulsive idea that you came up with, it is something that you have been considering for quite some time. Like some of the other posters on this topic, my first reaction was that castration could in no way be the answer. After your first posting 7 months ago, I did discuss this problem with several people that I trust. Several of them did believe that castration is supported biblically, much to my surprise. Although I never did write back a response until now, I have reflected on the matter quite a bit. I am still kind of on the fence over whether or not I believe that it is acceptable as a last resort, so I’ll try to help you out as much as I can here:
First, let’s look at the context of Matthew 19:
And the Pharisees came to Him, trying Him, and saying to Him, “Is it right for a man to put away his wife for every reason?” And He answering, said to them, “Did you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? “So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what Elohim has joined together, let man not separate.” They said to Him, “Why then did Mosheh command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. “And I say to you, whoever puts away his wife, except on the ground of whoring, and marries another, commits adultery. And whoever marries her who has been put away commits adultery.” His taught ones said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is good not to marry.” And He said to them, “Not all receive this word, but only those to whom it has been given, for there are eunuchs who were so born from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the reign of the heavens. He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
(Mat 19:3-12)When you read this entire conversation between the Pharisees, Yeshua, and His disciples, you can see that the context of the conversation is not about removal of body parts; it is about marriage. This is proved further when you look up the Greek word translated as “eunuchs”:
Strong’s:
G2134
εὐνουχίζω
eunouchizō
yoo-noo-khid'-zo
From G2135; to castrate (figuratively live unmarried): - make . . . eunuch.Thayer’s:
G2134
εὐνουχίζω
eunouchizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to castrate, to neuter a man
2) metaphorically to make one’s self a eunuch, i.e. by abstainingAs you can see, the literal meaning of the word means to castrate, but at the time it was used as a figure of speech to mean: “live unmarried”, “live celibately”, “to abstain from sex”. Since this matches the context of the conversation Yeshua was having, we can be fairly certain that Yeshua was speaking of living a life of celibacy vs. self-castration.
Now, there is another text that could possibly support your idea of castration; Matthew 5:
“You heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ “But I say to you that everyone looking at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. “And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into Gehenna. “And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for your entire body to be thrown into Gehenna. “And it has been said, ‘Whoever puts away his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ “But I say to you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the matter of whoring,1 makes her commit adultery. And whoever marries a woman who has been put away commits adultery.
(Mat 5:27-32)Now Yeshua may or may not have been speaking metaphorically here, I’m not sure. I do not believe He was implying that at the first trials, you should resort to “removing one of your members”, but He does make it perfectly clear that if the choice is between losing one of your “members” or having your entire body thrown to Gehenna, it is the wisest choice to choose self-mutilation (“members” is G4196: “a member, limb: a member of the human body”). However, if you read the verses above, you can see that the sin is not exclusively tied to the act itself, but also to its premeditation. So if you were to have yourself castrated, but still lusted after the act, then the sin would still remain.
While castration could possibly remove the urge, it also could have no effect. Your urges may not be linked to testosterone, they may come from your mental health condition. I found a weblink that may help you with this, it is an article about castration as a punishment for male sex offenders, which of course you are not, but it does have a lot of information on the effects and limitations of surgical and chemical castration: http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/crimes_y.htm
My gut feeling is that your homosexual desires and schizophrenic-bipolar disorder are intricately linked together. I am a registered nurse and graduated nursing school just a year ago. I do not work in a psychiatric unit so this is not a professional opinion, but rather an observation from my experiences in my nursing psychology class and my studies into the effects of our modern diet and lifestyle on humans. In my psych class, the instructor noted that children raised on farms, are much, much less likely to have mental illnesses. Why is that? Why is it that there is a massive increase in mental illnesses in the United States? I work in an intensive care unit and over half the patients I take care of have underlying mental health issues. Was that how we were created? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! יהוה created us in HIS image. HaSatan has worked every way imaginable to make us different from the Father’s image because he hates Elohim and we remind him of Adonai. How does he do that? He sow’s discourse between brothers, breaks apart the family unit, and poison’s our bodies. Most people do not realize it, but our American diet is killing us and our lazy lifestyles are doing the same. Why do farm children have a lower incidence of mental illness? I believe it is because they do not eat as much food that is filled with chemicals and genetically-modified ingredients and they have responsibilities and exercise.
Want some biblical proof? Ezekiel 16 tells us what led Sodom into such a state of moral corruption that they turned into a society of homosexuals and even tried to rape angels:
Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.
(Eze 16:49-50)- Pride
- Gluttony
- Too much free time
- Not helping the poor and needy (i.e. the “evil eye”)
- Being haughty against יהוה, e.i. a pesha sin for which there was no prescribed sacrifice
Sound a lot like America today?
My advice to you before you make any decisions about castration is that you pray, examine your life and see if you have issues with pride, idleness, and not helping those who are poor and needy. Also, please consider going on a lifestyle change diet. Doing an organic detox using juicing and other methods can remove all the chemical toxins that have accumulated in your body over the years. This may possibly remove or at least lessen your mental health problems to the point which you can control your mind. This is something that may take months or even a year or longer to fully achieve and it is something that you will have to do for the rest of your life, but I truly believe that through the power of prayer and returning to eating the foods which the Father intended for us to eat can have a restorative effect on both the body and mind. If you are interested in such a change, I would suggest picking up some books on Gerson Therapy and checking out some of Paul Nison’s materials (http://healthwatchman.com/). Also, if you want to contact me, I have some knowledge on the matter and have several friends who are using this method in order to cure themselves of physical ailments (one has cured herself of breast cancer). My email address is rootedintorah@gmail.com
I hope this is some help to you. If you do decide to go through with castration, please make sure to go through a medical professional and get the support of your family. We will all keep you in our prayers.
Shalom,
Ryan -
Reyizdaman,
You should think long and hard about this irreversible decision. You are making an attempt to use your flesh to solve a spiritual problem. The flesh never solved anything. Fundamentally speaking, if you were flesh then this might work, but you are not. You are a spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body of flesh. What you need to remove is the enemy from your life. Read this section of Ephesians:
Eph 4:11 And He (Yeshua) Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Messiah,
Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of Elohim, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Messiah;
Eph 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Eph 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Messiah—
Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,
Eph 4:18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of Elohim, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;
Eph 4:19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But you have not so learned Messiah,
Eph 4:21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Yeshua:
Eph 4:22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
Eph 4:23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
Eph 4:24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to Elohim, in true righteousness and holiness.
Eph 4:25 Therefore, putting away lying, "LET EACH ONE OF YOU SPEAK TRUTH WITH HIS NEIGHBOR," for we are members of one another.
Eph 4:26 "BE ANGRY, AND DO NOT SIN": do not let the sun go down on your wrath,
Eph 4:27 nor give place to the devil.Pay particular attention to verse 23 - "Be renewed in the spirit of your mind." This is in line with Rom 12:2 "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." All of Ephesians 4 is talking about how the body of Messiah is like a real body. Your body is a picture of Messiah. All members are needed. You don't casterate one.
Also keep in mind marriage is a picture of the Messiah and His bride. Its one of the highest acts of worship we can do is to get married and raise Godly children. Your sexual organ is a seed sower. It was given to you for divine purposes to fulfill commandments and procreate. It is the organ that carries the sign of the Abrahamic covenant of circumcision. With these things in mind its hard for me to believe that Yeshua, the creator, would council you to remove it. It is not hard for me to beleive that your enemy also knows this and wants to corrupt its purpose.
Your issues (as Ephesians 4 tells you) have to do with how you are thinking and that is giving way to all of your issues. Many, if not all, of your issues stem from generational iniquities. As the Torah states, the sins of the fathers are passed to the 3rd and 4th generations. You are not acting out righteousness in your mind, that is the truth. You have believed and agreed with lies. Based on those beleifs you live your life. The purpose of Torah is to expose those areas that we don't think correctly so we can be aligned with the mind of the Messiah. I am not saying you believe those lies on purpose. In fact if you knew they were lies then you would not believe them. You are deceived. What the rest of the body of Messiah is supposed to do is help free you just like antibodies in your actual body.
You need to identify your enemy and stop fighting yourself. Fast forward to Ephesians 6 and you will see this:
Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places
You are flesh and blood. You are not your enemey so don't go cutting parts of you off. Your enemy is a spiritual entity, just like you, with no flesh who seeks to use your flesh to dishonor Elohim. That is what Ephesians 6:12 is saying.
When Adam and Havah were in the garden and were deceived, Yahweh came to them and said something very interesting. He said "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?" Notice He said "who". He didn't say "what psychological disorder led you to this decision." He did not say "what part of your body is your problem? Lets remove it." Yahweh went straight to the source...the who.
Thats what you need to do. Find the "who". So I ask you, "Who told you what you are thinking?" It does not sound like an idea that the Creator would give you.
I won't give you advice on medical issues. Your doctor will at best give you information regarding your flesh and your soul. That will have limited value to you and I leave you to those decisions. What I am offering insight on is a cure from the spirit upward, cutting the root and killing all the residual fruit. I think this is how Yahweh deals with people.
So before you decide on a permanent decision that could give you more torment than you currently have pray and study it out. Your enemy is out to steal, kill, and destroy you. My advice is that you don't let him.
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Reyizdaman, I would like to correspond with you offline on a subject that may be related to your bipolar and your struggle.
If you feel to, please contact me at oilofgladness2010@gmail.com.
Shalom
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Little Brother Rey is da man,
You have collected to yourself many spiritual warriors willing to help you prayerfully fight this battle you have, you are not alone! Our King died for your every sin, repent and turn to Him with gladness, thanksgiving and peace in your heart.
Much good council has been given you, I pray you would take it up for yourself as garments of faith. There is nothing greater than our Lord. Shalom, shalom.
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Thank you all for your wonderful help, i've considered everyone's comments on the subject and have come to the conclusion to.........................get married! It took me a long time to come to that conclusion and it took some time to get healing on the physical part, i feel much better than before and i do not think about castrating myself anymore. I see now that my seed and the urges i have can be a blessing if i just marry a lovely lady of my and Yah's choice. I can use these urges for the good, because everyone has them, and therefore they get married, but before i would just say no because i was sick and tired of feeling the very strong urges for sex, but as i said, now i realize with much thought that i can use this for the good, hence, getting married and raise children for Yahweh and Yeshua!
Thanks for all your support and help it was much needed, your postings and comments made a profound impact on my life, thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Blessings to you all and your family's
Shalom, Reynaldo Roman A.K.A. reyizdaman
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Shalom Reynaldo,
You have blessed many people here by coming back to testify of YHVH strength in your life!
My prayers are that Adonai would continue to bless you and yours and be a light to your path on which He has placed you. Remember, a wife is a gift from Him in the heavens above. Much, much Shalom to you!
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Shalom Reynaldo,
Ryan has very good advice for you. Detoxifying your body of toxins/heavy metals and 'good nutrition' will go far to heal your mind. I don't reccomend the medical profession because an M.D. killed me after ignoring my repeated complaints of the meds he had me taking for manic depression. (a false diagnosis) Seeing a nutritionist is a very good srart to health. Eating real food is very important and can't be overrated for good health. Good physical health will result in good mental health. The Herbal Healer Academy has many natural ways to detox our bodies, safely. You will have to search her testimonials to find the supplements to help you.
Also, I believe many of us will be going somewhere in about 6 weeks and when we do, we will have rejuvenated bodies. (see A Revelation to Share post) Feel free to contact me regarding detoxing and food poisons at reikirelaxation(at)centurytel(dot)net
I am very happy for you getting your 'head screwed on straight'. I KNOW how it feels!Love and Blessings,
Yitz'ach
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Rey,
Struggling with lust isnt from being schizo.... ( I have quite a few Schizo friends btw) it is part of our sinful nature/evil inclination.
Castration isn't going to magically keep you from lusting after Women.
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As Far as the verses in Matthew... I Most Rabbi's and Christian Scholar's have always held that this was metaphorical not literal castration as in with context to not literally cut of a hand or pluck out an eye either.
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