Why did Yahshua said that you will never see me again until you learn to say bless is he who comes in the name of the Lord? Some people say that it will be him but if that was true, then why would he say that you will see the Son of Man coming with the clouds in his father's glory and his Holy Angels? If those who have accepted him, died for him and have washed themselves with the blood of the lamb by given testimony of Yahshua are coming with him in the first resurrection, then are the ones left behind were the ones he was referring to that will never see him again until they say bless is he who comes in the name of the Lord? It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it which means that he was referring to someone else. What do you think?
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- Posted by alex 2 months ago. There are 6 posts. The latest reply is from Victor.
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Shalom Alex and welcome to the blog,
Yeshua is the Memra of YHWH (Word of YHWH). If you pay attention to how YHWH speaks of Himself in the Tanakh, you'll notice that He often refers to Himself in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person. This is the case too with Yeshua, He is referring to Himself in the 3rd person as He does in other parts of the Apostolic Writings. When He said that you (speaking to Judah) will not see (perceive) me until you say "Baruch haba b'shem YHWH", He was referring to a the prophecy in Zechariah 12 that states that Judah will not accept the one whom they pierced (Mashiyach) until the Day of YHWH and when they do, they will mourn as one mourns for his only son. This will all occur before the resurrection.
Zechariah 9:
9 “And it shall be in that day that I seek to destroy all the gentiles that come against Yerushalayim. 10 “And I shall pour on the house of Dawiḏ and on the inhabitants of Yerushalayim a spirit of favour and prayers. And they shall look on Me whom they pierced, and they shall mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son. And they shall be in bitterness over Him as a bitterness over the first-born. 11 “In that day the mourning in Yerushalayim is going to be great, like the mourning at Haḏaḏ Rimmon in the valley of Meḡiddo. 12 “And the land shall mourn, every clan by itself: the clan of the house of Dawiḏ by itself, and their women by themselves; the clan of the house of Nathan by itself, and their women by themselves; 13 the clan of the house of Lĕwi by itself, and their women by themselves; the clan of Shimʽi by itself, and their women by themselves; 14 all the rest of the clans, every clan by itself, and their women by themselves.Revelation 1:
7 See, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth shall mourn because of Him. Yes, Amĕn. 8 “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, Beginning and End,” says יהוה “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”Shalom,
Ryan -
Alex said "Why did Yahshua said that you will never see me again until you learn to say bless is he who comes in the name of the Lord?"
Is it the following verse you're referring to?
Luk 13:35 KJV
(35) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.You are taking the verse out of context; Yeshua was speaking to the house of Judah who rejected Him as HaMeshiach. They would not "see" Him or recognize Him until the last days, shortly before His final return.
Zec 12:10 KJV
(10) And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.Rev 1:7 KJV
(7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.When He is seen once again coming with the clouds, the House of Judah and the House of Israel will have been reconciled and made ready as one bride for the coming of the bridegroom and will hence, see Him again and Bless Him as coming in the Name of the Lord.
Your statement/question is incorrect in it's assertion. Not all will have died before being raised to meet Him. Those that have died in Him will be the first to rise and be resurrected "The dead in Christ shall rise first:" and those who are still alive at His coming will follow afterwards in the twinkling of an eye.
1Th 4:16 KJV
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1Co 15:52 KJV
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.Again Alex, if you would please provide scripture for you questions or conclusions it would help greatly.
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On a different posting you made mention that you believe that Yeshua's speech in John 14:15-20 was concerning another man that we should await the coming of.
Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.
Joh 14:16 “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever –
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 “I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you.
Joh 14:19 “Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live.
Joh 14:20 “In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”
In this passage, Yeshua is prophesying of the outpouring of the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) on the Shavuot following His death, burial, and resurrection to the believers. I think you got a little confused when Yeshua said that the world will not "see" him, thinking that this must mean that this Helper is a visible man. "Seeing" is a Hebrew idiom for understanding or perceiving. It is the Hebrew word ra'ah (H7200). What Yeshua is saying is that the world will not be able to receive the helper because it is unable to understand/perceive him or (intimately) know him.
Shalom,
Ryan -
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Alex...Victor Here,
Several admins have forwarded some postings that they felt were troubling. I have looked through your activity and can see that you are drawing people away from Yahweh toward Man....all the while saying that you are not. It frankly looks quite chaotic.
Our Firm Stance:
No one here is looking for another to follow.
No one here is looking for another to lead them
No one here is looking for another to teach them.Yahweh is who we worship. Yeshua is the Word. The Ruach is the Teacher.
Angelic visitations and lights....even if true and really happened with 2 or 3 witnesses, are not a sign that we are to follow a man or lift any man to a highly exalted place or to replace Messiah. There is no clearer way for us to know that red flags need to be waved than when you started revealing what you believe.
Do you love the Messiah? I hope so, but I am afraid that you have become deceived into loving another Messiah and we will not allow anyone else to fall into that trap.
Your account will be demoted and any fees refunded.
Victor
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