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  • Posted by Kate 4 months ago. There are 9 posts. The latest reply is from Brian J. Phelps.
  1. Matthew 24:36 KJV But of that day and hour knoweth (G1492) no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    We’ve all been taught or just assumed that this verse is telling us that it is impossible for us to have any idea when Yeshua will return. Is that really what Yeshua meant or could there be something more that He wanted us to understand?

    Just this morning I was listening to a program where there was a discussion about 2012 being the end of time. The speaker quoted the above verse and I had one of those “open block” thoughts that Brad Scott speaks of. I had recently watched a teaching of Brad’s about Esav and the tares. During the teaching, he happened to mention a Hebrew word, yada, which was used by Yeshua to describe an intimate knowledge. This word had also been used in Genesis 4:1 where it tells us that “Adam knew his wife.” I wondered if this word in Matthew 24:36 might be the same word. Using e-Sword, I traced this Greek word through the Septuagint to determine which word Yeshua used. Here’s what I found:

    G1492
    εἴδω
    eidō
    i'-do
    A primary verb; used only in certain past tenses, the others being borrowed from the equivalent, G3700 and G3708; properly to see (literally or figuratively); by implication (in the perfect only) to know: - be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider, (have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot. Compare G3700.

    This word occurs in Nehemiah 10:28 and correlates with the H3045.

    Nehemiah 10:28 KJV And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge (G1492, H3045), and having understanding;

    H3045
    ידע
    yâda‛
    yaw-dah'
    A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively instruction, designation, punishment, etc.): - acknowledge, acquaintance (-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, [un-] awares, can [-not], certainly, for a certainty, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be [ig-] norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to, let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have [knowledge], (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have [understanding], X will be, wist, wit, wot.

    AHLB “Knowledge: To have an intimate relationship with another person, an idea or an experience.”

    Genesis 4:1 KJV And Adam knew (H3045) Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

    So, Yeshua was saying that no man would know—have an intimate knowledge—of the day or hour of His coming. Although I would agree that Yeshua was meaning just what we’ve been taught—that we would not have a knowledge of the specific day, I submit that by not keeping YHVH’s Torah, specifically His feasts, we cannot know because we lack the intimate knowledge.

    It is through coming to a deeper, more intimate knowledge of YHVH through keeping His Troah that we grow in our relationship with Him and His Yeshua. An important part of this is in keeping YHVH’s feasts. The feasts are chief among the personal, intimate ways YHVH chose to show us His plan of restoration. In Exodus 31:13 and Leviticus 19:3, 30; 26:2, YHVH stresses the importance of keeping His Sabbaths. He doesn’t just mean His weekly Sabbath, but His feast days, all of which include High Holy Days or Sabbaths, as well.

    Yeshua has already fulfilled the spring feasts during His first coming and still has the fall feasts to fulfill. Without keeping YHVH’s feasts, we miss this truth. Keeping in mind that these fall feasts remain, consider the following:

    1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    There are two of YHVH’s feasts that involve the blowing of trumpets. The first is Yom Teruah or Feast of Trumpets. It is the first of the fall feast days and it is commanded to celebrate this day by blowing trumpets or shofars. The second is Yom Kippur of the Day of Atonement. In the year of Jubilee it is commanded that a shofar is to be sounded on this day.

    Many teachers believe that Yeshua will return on Yom Teruah and I agree to a point. However, I believe it may be more accurate that His return would be on Yom Kippur in a year of Jubilee. The Jubilee year was the year when land reverted back to the original owner. When Yeshua returns, the earth and especially the land of Israel, will revert to their original owners respectively. Perhaps the resurrection will occur on Yom Teruah and then 10 days later everything will be set right!

    Whichever you ascribe to, it is agreed that Yeshua’s return will be during the fall feasts. Then how could it still be true that Yeshua meant that we couldn’t know the specific day when we know when these feast days occur? I believe it is a simple matter of the moon. Each month on YHVH’s calendar is determined by the new moon. Although scientists can compute the cycles of the moon with great accuracy, their calculations are not always correct. So, aside from not knowing when the Jubilee years fall as the count has been lost to history, we cannot determine exactly when each new moon will occur. Yom Teruah is the only feast day that is determined by the sighting of the new moon. All the other feast days involve a counting of days from either a new moon or another feast day. There is no way for us to know when this last new moon will be!

    All this leads to the reasonable conclusion that there are two truths being taught in Matthew 24:36. Neither can we pinpoint the day on any calendar, nor can we know the day if we don’t “know” the day!

  2. Hi Kate,
    The phrase "no one knows the day nor the hour" is a Jewish idiom. Just like if we say, "Next week is Turkey Day" everyone knows we are talking about Thanksgiving. To a Jew, saying "no one knows the day nor the hour" is the idiom for Feast of Trumpets.

    Mark Biltz has a great teaching on this (it also includes explaining the idiom for 'thief in the night'. It's at elshaddaiministries.us/messages and under the video: Eclipses 1 and 2.

    I've been taught (wondering about this now), that Yeshua stepping his foot on 'the mountain' is not the same day as his second coming. If this is true, it could fit into both your Jubilee theory and His second coming on Yom Terurah.

    Blessings,
    Linda

  3. Linda,

    Thanks for the link, I'll check that out. I certainly don't mean to imply that Yom Teruah is not important in this, just that perhaps it's not the whole picture.

    What you mentioned about the mountain is interesting. Recently I was wondering about meeting Him in the air and if perhaps instead of us "floating" that perhaps it relates to the mountain. I've wondered if maybe, since the Torah was given on a mountain and Yeshua is the Torah that maybe we are going to be on the mountain to "receive" Him.

    Shalom,
    Kate

  4. Shalom Kate,

    I have considered the end-time events surrounding the return of Yeshua and still am not convinced of any certain thing. Here are some of my thoughts that may help you out though:

    "No man knows the day nor hour" - While this is an idiom as Linda pointed out, we must also remember that the Feast of Yom Teruah did not begin until two witnesses sighted the new moon from Jerusalem. If it were a cloudy night, you could not see the moon and thus even if it was technically the new moon, Yom Teruah would not be celebrated that night. My belief is that while we may know the approximate day, we will not know the exact day and hour that the Son of Man will return.

    "The dead will rise first" - I was raised a Seventh-Day Adventist and their teaching is that the dead will come out of their graves and begin to float towards Jesus in the sky and as soon as the last dead dude leaves the ground the living will start to float up into the air like magical fairies. While I could be wrong, I just don't believe this is what Scriptures were talking about. First, Paul was not receiving any revelation, he was explaining scriptures that already exist. Why would the dead have to rise first? I believe what this verse is referring to is that the dead will rise with incorruptible bodies and join the living in an exodus to The Land. I don't have any specific verses to "prove" this, but based off of all the prophesies in the Tanakh and Apostolic Writings, this seems like a much more likely scenario. The catching up into the air, I believe is the return to the mountain that will be formed around Jerusalem during the earth-flattening earthquake during the tribulation.

    "Yeshua's Return" - I am not convinced that Yeshua is going to return and instantly wipe out all the bad guys. Zechariah 14:5 - The saints come to battle with YHWH Elohim; Zechariah 14:14 - Judah will also fight at Jerusalem; Also, Islam's prophesies tell of a war that lasts many months against the Dajjal. Their "Dajjal" is our Messiah and it's final battle plays out in the valley of Har Meggido (Armageddon). My personal belief is that Messiah Yeshua will return and will wage a war that last multiple months which will end in a final battle in Har Meggido when all the nations that fight against Israel gather together to make a final attack on the armies of Yisrael. I'm not exactly where the exodus to the land takes place in this timeline. How exactly we will fight, I'm not sure, but I look to the stories in the Torah, and I see that Yisrael did actually fight with weapons, so I think it is possible that we too will fight with some sort of weaponry.

    Shalom,
    Ryan

  5. Shalom All

    I've recently been drawn into the Pesach meal (last supper....Matt, Mark, Luke) of Yahshuah, versus the Pharasees Pesach meal (John) one day later (in both CJB and AENT). I haven't been able to determine to my satisfaction whether Yahshuah starts His month/year on the conjunction while Judah starts on the crescent, or just what is happening. My gut feeling (almost totally non-scriptural) is Our High Priest uses the conjunction, counted from the last crescent. This would make for not knowing the day if everybody is always a day later than Elohim. He did say "Let he who has wisdom, understand", and the two witnesses regarding the day of Trumpets, if you count the idiom as one witness. I do believe Daniels' Timeline is correct for the year.

    Love and Blessings

    Yitz'ach

  6. I was preparing a study for my sister regarding a stumbling block she has about Galatians 4:10:

    Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

    We know Shaul is referring to non-Torah observances. But to help build this truth I included to 1Th 5:1:

    1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

    Shaul plainly states in 1Th 5:9 we are not appointed to wrath. The "we" is the Thessalonians/believers who have been taught and keep the Torah "times and seasons", they will are not appointed to wrath. But believers who reject knowledge/Torah evidently will be apponted to wrath according to this chapter, 1Th 5.

    Scary, especially since I would love to share this knowledge, but, unfortunately, the restrainer, traditions of men, is still very strong. Let's all pray when that when the restrainer is removed, we who have some knowledge will have the capacity and the love to share our rivers of living water.

  7. I don't mean just because we keep the feasts that we are guaranteed exclusion from trouble or wrath, just that it is one part of the whole. There are many who have the heart to keep the Torah (if they knew what we know) but don't because of their traditions and lack of study.

  8. Peace be with all of you.

    I came across an articles that i am still examining concerning "Why Won't We Know the Day or the Hour?"

    “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32) ?

    Now, as she stated, Yahshua is the word that comes from our Holy Father, and this is what the words says:

    Because Yahshua, who IS Himself the Word of God (John 1:1,14; Rev. 19:13)
    also said in Amos 3:7
    Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but (unless) he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

    She begins to say that Firstly, in Mark 13:32, the verb “oida” (from Greek “eido” and meaning, to know, or perceive, or see), here translated “knoweth”, is unusual in that while it’s form in the Greek is perfect active indicative, its function or meaning is almost always present tense, thus translated “know” or “knows”. This particular form of it, as found in Mark 13:32, is 3rd person singular, “oiden”, and of the 209 New Testament occurrences of “oida”, in its various forms with respect to person (1st, 2nd or 3rd) or number (single or plural), nearly all have a present tense meaning. A clear exception is found in 2 Tim. 3:15: “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures ....” Note, however, that the context itself indicates that in this case it should be translated into the perfect tense, meaning, a past completed action with the result continuing on; that is, that in the past Timothy knew the scripture and still knows.

    She then begin to put it in order base on the truth being though that some scriptures have been mistranslated purposely to hide the truth from the Saints. This is what she says:

    Secondly, as a few past scholars have pointed out, it can also be translated “makes known”. In 1 Corinthians 2:2 the Apostle Paul writes, “For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified”, clearly using the same Greek word “eido,” here in perfect active infinitive “to know”, to imply “make known” or “tell” or “reveal.” The implied meaning is really, “ For I determined not to make known anything...” or “For I determined not to reveal (or tell) anything ...” Surely, the Apostle Paul was not meaning he was intent on keeping the knowledge of Christ to himself! On the contrary, the very opposite!

    Now, when we take this same meaning “to make known” and put it in the present tense, “makes known”, in order to conform to the present tense meaning of the perfect active indicative “oida”, in Mark 13:32, the verse takes on a whole new meaning:

    “But of that day and that hour no man makes known, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

    This is a perfectly acceptable translation of “oida” found in Mark 13:32 (as well as in Matt. 24:36). Someone might argue, why, then, isn’t it written in future tense: no one will make known? Because the emphasis of the passage is not on time, as in, when it will be revealed, but who reveals it:

    No angel will appear to someone and divulge it.
    The Son in His earthly ministry did not divulge it.
    And no prophet will add to the long-since closed canon of scripture in order to reveal it.

    Because it’s already there.
    Having been sealed up and hidden from our understanding.

    But the Father ... the Father will divulge it. The Father makes it known.

    “... flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee”, Jesus exclaimed in response to Simon’s declaration that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God, “but My Father which is in heaven.” Matt. 16:17

    God the Father will make it known by His Spirit.

    How can we be certain of this?

    And this is where i will take over since the truth still hasn't been made known yet to the rest of those who say they love Yahshua but haven't surrendered to the Spirit of Yahweh in Yahshua our Master.

    But before i begin, i am going to give you all some time to take this in so that you can understand what has been already said before going any further.

  9. Can we calculate when the end times are going to happen, Im sure we can? We can calculate alot of things with our human minds. Its like him (The Lord) to hide stuff like this,and the greatest Love story never told. How we as Gentiles could be saved, that he divorced us, died and remarried us, that he told us in that divorce he would watch over us, care for us, until he sent his Son to die for us, and remarry us. I dont look for a certain day, month or year, I hope everyday that Im doing what he says is Truth, Liberty, Life and goodness to be in my heart for when that day comes, I will have my Armor, my shield, and my sword. I will pray on these things, and welcome these end days.

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